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The American Dream has always been a big suburban house, two cars, three kids, and a corporate job. Plus, the bigger the house, bigger the cars, better looking the kids, and the more powerful corporate job the better. The individual is most important.

The European Dream is one that emphasizes your place in society rather than personal accumulation of wealth. In fact it seems like the bigger the house and car, the less impressive. Positive impact on the community is valued while individualism is not. Society is most important.

Do I have these correct and if so which is better? Do you value personal freedom or is sacrificing it for the good of the community better? Kopfkratz


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06.02.2008 00:57
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Seems fairly accurate to me. Having spent around a decade living each of those lifestyles - I much prefer the European dream! I'd rather make a good impact on society than have the biggest house and the best car on the market.

06.02.2008 03:04
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never thought of it as a "European Dream", think it´s more a "European Way", as a reasonable result of centuries of wars out of egoistic/nationalistic motives and the understanding, that it can´t go on that way.
Probably every one dreams of having a big house and a fast car, but the Europeans cover it better.

12.02.2008 12:53
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I don't have any idea what the European way or dream is? So many different countries here...


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12.02.2008 13:33
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As a Christian Communitarian Neo-Communist, I would naturally go for the European Dream over the selfish, greed-mongering, Capitalistic American Dream!
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13.02.2008 11:42
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RE: American Dream vs. European Dream

Malone Wrote:
I don't have any idea what the European way or dream is? So many different countries here...


From my travels, every member state of the EU is the pretty much the same. Same basic culture, religion, economy, and quality of life. Historically, that is not true and I think many people tend to view Europe from that perspective. But is there really any fundamental difference between EU members today? I know I can easily adjust to and live in any European nation. Sure there are some small differences in food and customs, but as a whole Europe is very unified.

Of course admitting Turkey to the EU would destroy that and upset the harmony since they are of a completely different culture, religion, economy, and quality of life. I've never understood why anyone would consider Turks as Europeans. They are of the Islamic Ottoman culture from the Asian continent. You might as well admit China to the EU if you admit Turkey.

Ultimately, I do think the European Dream will eclipse the American Dream this century unless some drastic shift in thought happens. The same thing happened last century when American consumerism became the globally desired quality of life while Europe remained stagnant from wars and communism.


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14.02.2008 22:24
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Donovius Wrote:
The American Dream has always been a big suburban house, two cars, three kids, and a corporate job. Plus, the bigger the house, bigger the cars, better looking the kids, and the more powerful corporate job the better. The individual is most important.

The European Dream is one that emphasizes your place in society rather than personal accumulation of wealth. In fact it seems like the bigger the house and car, the less impressive. Positive impact on the community is valued while individualism is not. Society is most important.

Do I have these correct and if so which is better? Do you value personal freedom or is sacrificing it for the good of the community better? Kopfkratz


Unfortunately, I've never been to Europe, but I'm not a big proponent of the American Dream. Seems very bland to me.

17.02.2008 19:51
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I am from Europe (Germany) and I am not sure if there is an European Drema/Way.
It is like the American Dream, everyone is dreaming on this dream, but no one (or most people) can´t reach their dreams because it is not possible.

20.02.2008 00:25
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I'm for the 19th/early 20th century American dream. Liberty.

20.02.2008 09:33
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RE: American Dream vs. European Dream

In my opinion there is no „european dream“ vs. american dream. That sounds too simple for me. I´ve not been to the US, but the people I know from the US, as generally as I can say, think more digital (“black or white”) and are more interested in short term personal profit. The people from europe think more analogue (“shades of grey”) and are more interested in long term society profit
In the US there were first the people which then establish the administration. In Europe the people were born into an existing administration. So the above mentioned differences are normal for both sides and based on the history.
Nevertheless I think there are many possible combinations of these different methods of thinking, e.g. europeans need to become more optimistic and self responsible. J. F. Kennedy said in his inaugural address in 1961: “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” and I agree completely.
I am not so arrogant that I think I know if and what the US can learn from us europeans. They are intelligent enough to make their own conclusions.

01.03.2008 16:14
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