kind of off topic but this is non-partisan and that is the fairtax i think it would be good for america but i wont really go into detail as to why since i have posted another thread all about the fairtax. check it out and then vote in the poll.

wow, did u look on the internet for a week searching for even the smallest parties so you could say that non-americans brought freedom to this country (which they didnt) or do u really have no point to this thread

This post was last modified: 01.06.2008 01:41 by gregrocks33.

Don't forget the French.

1. Republican and Democratic parties, which were on your list, are not third parties.

2. Every democracy has about the same number of third parties. In fact, since this board has many Europeans on it, quite a few of their parties would have representation in their respective Parliaments. America is not unique for it's third parties. If anything, it's unique for the lack of people who care about third parties and independents and furthermore, the lack of people who care about their democratic rights via not exercising them.

Well said Rowan! That's the root of the problem, not a lack of third parties, but the apathy Americans have for the entire political process. THEY JUST DON'T CARE. So long as they can drive huge SUVs to shop at Wal-Mart, eat 5 times a day at McDonalds, watch countless hours of “reality” TV, and own an arsenal of guns, nothing else matters. That’s not freedom, that’s submission.

A huge percentage of Americans can't name the US Vice President, the Secretary of State, or even their own governor. In fact less than half know that Democrats control Congress and only 25% know how many US soldiers have been killed in Iraq! But what do they know? 84% know Oprah supports Obama and more vote in American Idol that in any US election. This is exactly what is wrong with America. Didn’t Rome become very lethargic and self-absorbed just before it fell?

I strongly believe it will be up to Europeans to lead the world in the next few decades. You better shape up and get your act together Brussels…

This is far from the truth. Paul has received the most funds from active service members. I suspect this is the case for two, related reasons:

1) More traditional candidates are not able to do the fundraisers often used to get money.
2) The only real way for service members to make donations is via the internet.

Because of #1, the other candidates raised less than they "should" in an equivalent stateside group. Because of #2, it is primarily service members driven to use the Internet on a regular basis who would consider sending in money to a campaign. Because, for whatever reason, most Paul support is rampant on teh Intarwebs and among people who use it regularly, it's going to be logical that Paul gets more funds from the military, because it will be his supporters who care about having the access to fundraising.

Does that make sense?

A huge percentage of Americans can't name the US Vice President, the Secretary of State, or even their own governor. In fact less than half know that Democrats control Congress and only 25% know how many US soldiers have been killed in Iraq! But what do they know? 84% know Oprah supports Obama and more vote in American Idol that in any US election. This is exactly what is wrong with America. Didn’t Rome become very lethargic and self-absorbed just before it fell?

That's not so different here in Germany, and it's simply what the mighty want: a dumb and blind mass, easily to control. And as long as the mighty control the media, their power will grow and grow...

Oh please. I'll ignore the first part as it makes you sound stupid and ignorant yourself. SUV sales are absolutely plummeting over there, for one. I couldn't name how many troops have being killed either, 3500 or so?

I mean, the same could be said about computers. We're both well versed in politics. Politics makes the world go round. So do computers. But for a relatively heavy user of one, I know embarrassingly little about them. But you know what, thanks to capitalism, someone out there has bothered to learn about computers and sell the service they offer...if I ever have a problem I call them. That's what I call freedom.

Well there is not so much need in knowing details about computers, as you can't influence their development anyway. But with your voice you can influence the politics, which has vice versa influence on your life. So it seems to me more important and sensible to know political and economical basics at least. Well, that's one reason why Ars Regendi has been created

You are totally cut off from reality if you honestly believe there is a connection between Marx and Obama just because they both use the word "change". What utterly disastrous claim.
You fail to realize the clear fact that the concrete policy Obama is intending to carry out is NOT the collectivization of the means of production or the abolishment of the bourgeois class. Obama does not even intend to put a stop to lobbyist that swamps America or the neoliberal agendas of the coporate elite.

Obama and Hillary aren't even left-leaners. The U.S. public is confused and deluded by decades of media brainwash, why many americans are unable to tell the difference between a communist and a social conservative.
The political landscape of America is extremely confined. That means that the farthest left in U.S. context represents what corresponds to the center-left in worldwide context.

And yet you somewhat fanatically claim to be representing "the truth", without any actual grounding?

I would encourage a read of this:
http://www.socialistalternative.com/news...php?id=783
http://www.socialistalternative.com/news...php?id=769

And as a word to the first post: The U.S. democracy can in no way be justified just by bringing a list of the country's parties (if that was the intension). The parliamental structure in the U.S. is hardly democratic and extremely old-fashioned, as it is based upon the rule that the party that wins the majority of the votes in a given region, obtains all of them.
That's why the amount of personal votes doesn't closely reflect the winner in the long run. And the same goes for Great Britain.

Well there is not so much need in knowing details about computers, as you can't influence their development anyway. But with your voice you can influence the politics, which has vice versa influence on your life. So it seems to me more important and sensible to know political and economical basics at least. Well, that's one reason why Ars Regendi has been created

No, but just as politics controls your life so do computers. When you think about it.